tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post1836611306335475736..comments2024-01-08T18:25:51.974+00:00Comments on Kraut's English phonetic blog: 'idiomatic' stress marksKrauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-82669567905073991402012-03-31T19:10:52.786+01:002012-03-31T19:10:52.786+01:00Wood··Sidney Comments 31 Mar 2012
Dear Sidney, of...Wood··Sidney Comments 31 Mar 2012<br />Dear Sidney, of course you're absolutely right to say<br />I would also have said "OTHER fish ...". At the same time, the accentuation of these phrases might vary depending on context, implied or expressed contrast etc. <br />You could even add the speaker's mood.<br />In this case we both completely agree that Lady Mary gave this its undou·tedly usual version but I cd imagine myself in a very whimsical mood employing an essentially paralinguistic effect and having a trembly very wide Fall on the last word but it wou·dn've been 'normal', it'dve been stagey.<br />So in an EFL dictionary the editors do their best to decide what is normal and give that. The result may be something that offends your sense of logic but these items are grouped under the headinng ID(IO)M(S) and as you know that implies that logic may not feature.<br />When you tell us <br />"I would also say: <br />beat sb at their OWN game<br />eyes in the BACK of your head"<br />I hope you aren't suggesting that the OALD advice shdve included your very unusual version as well. The same goes for "stew in one's OWN juice" which is also very rarely heard and therefore not to be recommended to users of English as an extra language coz they want to sound normal and not eccentric.<br />As to "PRETTY kettle of fish" and "ONLY pebble on the beach"<br />I dont understand your "also".<br />Regards<br />Jackjwlhttp://yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-35519982684326952152012-03-31T11:54:24.823+01:002012-03-31T11:54:24.823+01:00@Sidney: variatio delectat.@Sidney: <i>variatio delectat.</i>Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-50304013086416177982012-03-31T10:52:55.154+01:002012-03-31T10:52:55.154+01:00I would also have said "OTHER fish ..."....I would also have said "OTHER fish ...". At the same time, the accentuation of these phrases might vary depending on cntext, implied or expressed contrast etc. <br /><br />I would also say:<br />beat sb at their OWN game<br />eyes in the BACK of your head<br />PRETTY kettle of fish<br />ONLY pebble on the beach<br />stew in one's OWN juiceSidney Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138711082469220983noreply@blogger.com