tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post4740575565504770035..comments2024-01-08T18:25:51.974+00:00Comments on Kraut's English phonetic blog: polyphonsKrauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-18160049598333842732012-01-26T18:01:16.430+00:002012-01-26T18:01:16.430+00:00Also, I didn't consider that tʃr my be regarde...Also, I didn't consider that <i>tʃr</i> my be regarded a non-phonemic variant of <i>tr</i>.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-56821003938103259602012-01-26T17:58:16.611+00:002012-01-26T17:58:16.611+00:00Yes, /tʃr/, of course, sorry.Yes, /tʃr/, of course, sorry.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-20306657152047969392012-01-26T17:06:24.402+00:002012-01-26T17:06:24.402+00:00I must confess that I have only two CD's in my...I must confess that I have only two CD's in my car - one with the Goldberg variations, the other with the Goldberg variations. Whenever I turn the music on I listen to one of them - nothing else. My wife says I'm crazy. Yes, maybe I am. I've been listening to the versions for months now and I still enjoy them. The music is so relaxing and intellectually so challenging at the same time. Great music!Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-37708790128603391842012-01-24T06:41:29.845+00:002012-01-24T06:41:29.845+00:00That's one of my favorite Fugues from the Well...That's one of my favorite Fugues from the Well Tempered Clavier. Excellent choice of music to illustrate polyphony!vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-20036276252318134272012-01-22T18:26:43.047+00:002012-01-22T18:26:43.047+00:00Kraut is quite right in opining that I wd rule out...Kraut is quite right in opining that I wd rule out of the game any of the additional variants suggested. This is so even of /tʃr-/ tho that is the nearest to what praps a fair number of observers might accept as an unmarked lexical form. It certnly isnt particularly uncommon but probbly most GB users wd feel it to be marked by something such as an element of clumsiness or emotive reaction.JWLhttp://www.yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-38545830435499672352012-01-22T17:55:03.555+00:002012-01-22T17:55:03.555+00:00I dont think either of these wd be accepted as ...I dont think either of these wd be accepted as 'normal' lexical forms by the vast majority of GB speakers.JWLhttp://www.yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-72588712034336438712012-01-22T13:31:35.760+00:002012-01-22T13:31:35.760+00:00I'd say that e.g. tnˈsɪʃn̩l̩i is a likely vari...I'd say that e.g. <i>tnˈsɪʃn̩l̩i</i> is a likely variant in relaxed GB.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-61940792181564937792012-01-22T12:31:09.991+00:002012-01-22T12:31:09.991+00:00@Lipman
I presume you mean /tʃr/ in place of /tr/...@Lipman<br /><br />I presume you mean /tʃr/ in place of /tr/. I don't think I've ever heard /tʃæn/ and the like. But who knows?John Maidmenthttp://blogjam.namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-2965544843042915142012-01-22T11:07:26.032+00:002012-01-22T11:07:26.032+00:00@Lipman: Of course, you may suggest these variants...@Lipman: Of course, you may suggest these variants. The reason why I (and I guess JWL would cite this as a reason a well) did not include variants other than the ones listed is that I restricted myself to what LPD3 and EPD18 mention.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-42393148115665228172012-01-22T08:22:59.810+00:002012-01-22T08:22:59.810+00:00(This is at least as much a comment to JWL's p...(This is at least as much a comment to JWL's post as to yours here.)<br /><br />May I suggest to double the number by allowing for /tʃ/ as an alternative to /tr/?<br /><br />How about /tn/? I'm afraid with all these variants, I'm a bit blind (or rather, my inner ear's a bit deaf) and can't decide if this would be too far for realistic everyday RP.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.com