tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post8796733346213629405..comments2024-01-08T18:25:51.974+00:00Comments on Kraut's English phonetic blog: what's it called? (with updates)Krauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-24307900082111766302012-07-12T15:47:04.867+01:002012-07-12T15:47:04.867+01:00It's referred to as Trad RP in P.Trudgill (200...It's referred to as Trad RP in P.Trudgill (2002) The sociolinguistics of modern RP. In P. Trudgill (ed.), Sociolinguistic variation and change, Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.Limeyhttp://www.yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-50354031761508741982012-02-29T00:59:15.948+00:002012-02-29T00:59:15.948+00:00JWL: Sorry, that was 50 years ago! I've no ide...JWL: Sorry, that was 50 years ago! I've no idea today which edition I saw then. Now I have the 1967 revision of the ninth. One possible place is §335a which might be a former footnote. The edition info notes alterations at every printing from 1956 on.Sidney Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138711082469220983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-16222726553531600902012-02-28T15:59:47.040+00:002012-02-28T15:59:47.040+00:00@JWL: Thanks to your deliberations I'm aware o...@JWL: Thanks to your deliberations I'm aware of the multitude of Jones's designations. DJ deserves a separate treatment.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-83436901464767933262012-02-28T15:30:14.028+00:002012-02-28T15:30:14.028+00:00@SW:
1) Thanks for reminding me of Gimson's S...@SW: <br />1) Thanks for reminding me of Gimson's <i>Southern British English</i>. I don't have the 1st ed. to hand. In the 2nd ed. he (still?) mentions Southern British English on p. 85, but the term RP is the prevailing expression throughout the rest of the book.<br />2) Thanks for adding my blog to your blogroll.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-77603657040383200772012-02-28T13:19:55.312+00:002012-02-28T13:19:55.312+00:00Daniel Jones varied what he called his accent. In ...Daniel Jones varied what he called his accent. In his very earliest works he called it Standard Pronunciation. He said in the earliest editions of his Outline of English Phonetics that he thaut it "necessary to set up a standard of pronunciation" but he stopt using that term in 1917 in favour of Public School Pronunciation and finally formally settled on Received Pronuncation in 1926. However, subsequently in the Outline by 1956 he also used half a dozen times the essentially synonymous terms Educated Southern English (§§407,663,879), Received English (§662fn), Southern pronunciation, (Appendix A §44) and Southern English (Appendix A §49).<br />→Sidney Wood Where were the tiny footnotes?JWLhttp://www.yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-34988458388668084162012-02-27T23:39:02.050+00:002012-02-27T23:39:02.050+00:00Southern British English - Gimson 1962, recognisin...Southern British English - Gimson 1962, recognising that there was something else alongside RP. <br /><br />Southern isn't perhaps so well chosen, head towards the west and you start finding rhotic accents. The area is roughly the home counties. The local regional typology is the full vowel shift but non-rhotic. Like all regional accents it's socially stratified, so RP is one sociolect among the others (irrespective of where RP speakers happen to live). I'm still happy with D Jones definition of RP - the speech of the major public schools (in his day), and the acquired RP of those who adjusted to it. I'm not happy with suggestions that there's a new RP. If RP is dwindling and something else growing, so be it. R.I.P. <br /><br />The pressure to adapt to RP was enormous a few generations ago. But it must have been uneven because our corner of Kent escaped it. There weren't many RP speakers around, mainly the officers at the garrison and RN barracks, and locals hardly ever met them. So by the time I moved out into the wide world it was too late. I was just aware that some doctors, some vicars, most officers and most tory MPs didn't speak like us (or vice versa). I was 25 and already teaching English as a foreign language before I saw my first copy of Jones' Outline, and learned that officer-speak had a name, RP. And also found myself in tiny footnotes at the bottom of his pages.<br /><br />So please don't forget Gimson.Sidney Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138711082469220983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-61891992935298176372012-02-27T18:56:41.965+00:002012-02-27T18:56:41.965+00:00PSP, of course!PSP, of course!Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-8629560821936514312012-02-27T18:46:06.327+00:002012-02-27T18:46:06.327+00:00Thanks, Paul! Forgot that one!Thanks, Paul! Forgot that one!Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-28716890420808467122012-02-27T17:55:31.267+00:002012-02-27T17:55:31.267+00:00No Public School Pronunciation?No Public School Pronunciation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-67017529747256085462012-02-27T17:52:20.630+00:002012-02-27T17:52:20.630+00:00No mention of Wells and Colson's Southern Brit...No mention of Wells and Colson's Southern British Standard (SBS)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-42427657978828940372012-02-27T12:40:08.490+00:002012-02-27T12:40:08.490+00:00This topic is discussed on my website
http://www....This topic is discussed on my website <br />http://www.yek.me.uk<br />at Blogs 114 and 148 etc.JWLhttp://www.yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.com