tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post726228674117637289..comments2024-01-08T18:25:51.974+00:00Comments on Kraut's English phonetic blog: distinguish bad manners from bed manners - #3Krauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-44448684524077777832010-11-26T07:15:10.525+00:002010-11-26T07:15:10.525+00:00@vp: I plan a separate blog entry on Gimson's/...@vp: I plan a separate blog entry on Gimson's/Crutty's characterisations of refined RP.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-84671110103130677832010-11-25T19:36:10.598+00:002010-11-25T19:36:10.598+00:00I don't have access to that book. How does th...I don't have access to that book. How does this variety differentiate TRAP from DRESS and SQUARE?vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-39124181029773816292010-11-25T17:01:32.399+00:002010-11-25T17:01:32.399+00:00@vp: Please, take a look at p. 113 of the 7th edit...@vp: Please, take a look at p. 113 of the 7th edition (= 2008)of Cruttenden's <i>Pronunciation of English</i>. I agree with you in saying that it's pretty rare.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-18847610911215655982010-11-25T16:02:37.871+00:002010-11-25T16:02:37.871+00:00Your "conservative GB" value is bizarre....Your "conservative GB" value is bizarre. A centering diphthong? That would be more like SQUARE than TRAP. It's true that old-fashioned RP had a closer [ɛ]-like value, but I'm not aware that it ever reached close to [e] or became diphthongal. It's pretty much obsolete anyway.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.com