tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post966934084473617481..comments2024-01-08T18:25:51.974+00:00Comments on Kraut's English phonetic blog: BBC teaches English ejectives?Krauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-11691764297536845742012-05-22T03:22:22.040+01:002012-05-22T03:22:22.040+01:00@ Kraut: Yes, that's the one. I may use the c...@ Kraut: Yes, that's the one. I may use the clips in a blog post.<br /><br />@ Lipman: Not really; this was a high-level professional English user. I did once have a Spanish student who produced final ejectives as a kind of by-product of tension when concentrating on final English plosives. The Italian's ejectives were more 'natural'.Geoff Lindseyhttp://englishspeechservices.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-57588250984824114522012-05-21T08:35:37.066+01:002012-05-21T08:35:37.066+01:00Geoff, did the Italian show any difficulties in en...Geoff, did the Italian show any difficulties in ending a word on a consonant?Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-78104686864285960362012-05-21T07:52:13.814+01:002012-05-21T07:52:13.814+01:00Geoff: The TV documentary you mention - is that th...Geoff: The TV documentary you mention - is that the "How It Works" series, the one on plastic in particular?Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-11525269065690931992012-05-20T23:44:55.023+01:002012-05-20T23:44:55.023+01:00On a recent short course I taught, several non-nat...On a recent short course I taught, several non-native participants used occasional phrase-final k' in English without knowing they were doing it (until I mentioned it). One was Italian, another was (I think) Bulgarian.<br /><br />Unlike e.g. glottaling or Uptalk, it's not stigmatized or even noticed by the general public, and has spread like wildfire. In a recent TV documentary by UCL's Prof. Mark Miodownik, he had a full set of phrase-internal p', t', k'.<br /><br />I've found it quite challenging to teach native speakers NOT to do it, i.e. to have control over pulmonic/ejective final k.Geoff Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03801874423150269748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-34623472384319286932012-05-20T14:15:21.700+01:002012-05-20T14:15:21.700+01:00Well ... I'm pleased that a language student o...Well ... I'm pleased that a <b>language</b> student of mine was fazed by this paralinguistic feature.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-65914936992773296722012-05-20T14:13:33.902+01:002012-05-20T14:13:33.902+01:00@Paul Carley: I've never heard a German native...@Paul Carley: I've never heard a German native speaker use ejectives, although one should never say never.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-85432742220752633722012-05-20T13:54:11.564+01:002012-05-20T13:54:11.564+01:00Just wondering, could you imagine a German-speaker...Just wondering, could you imagine a German-speaker finishing off an utterance with an ejective flourish? Or is that completely alien?Paul Carleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382369381372118960.post-59461890024481578992012-05-20T12:40:22.520+01:002012-05-20T12:40:22.520+01:00I'd expect students, whether consciously or no...I'd expect students, whether consciously or not, to perceive such very occasional paralinguistic expressive 'noises' for what they are — and to be unconscious of and/or not fazed by them.JWLhttp://yek.me.uknoreply@blogger.com